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Jun 30, 2008 12:46 PM

Canadians protest iPhone plans

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Click to view xmitman's profile New Member 10 posts since
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1. Jun 30, 2008 12:59 PM in response to: Macworld
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Aha, offer some of the current plans and offer an unlimited plan. Maybe that would be too complicated for the billing department.
Click to view dreyfus's profile Member 143 posts since
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2. Jun 30, 2008 1:06 PM in response to: Macworld
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Without trying to defend Rogers (no idea about them), I have to say that I really do support their argument (not their prices). After using my iPhone for a little longer than 9 months and checking the data transfer statistics regularly - the largest amount of data I have ever transferred via EDGE in one month was 290 MB (the average is clearly below 200 MB, and this includes polling 7 email accounts every 15 minutes, surfing when commuting to/from work...). If you live in certain rural areas you might have sufficient WiFi coverage to consume even less.

While Apple did certainly try to make it easy/convenient for consumers to enjoy Internet functionality - the resulting rate packages DO suffer from an "one-size-fits-all" approach, and could be a lot cheaper without that. I can get 300 MB 3G data plus much more call time (which I need) when dropping the "unlimited" part and the SMSs I will never send from it. Even if it sounds selfish - I do not really feel like paying through the nose for some few heavy users and would strongly prefer to only pay for the "damage" I am causing myself.
Click to view aaronvegh's profile New Member 5 posts since
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3. Jun 30, 2008 1:19 PM in response to: dreyfus
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I'm afraid you're in the minority on that vote: Rogers is speaking out of both sides of their mouth if they want to assure us we'll both use too much data, and overspend for an unlimited plan we don't need. It makes sense to offer an "unlimited" plan, knowing that most people will use only <200MB, while yes, some go way higher. The point is, I don't want to be counting. Heck, I CAN'T count, because there's no way to keep track! Except for an SMS when you're getting close to hitting your limit. That may be fine for Rogers, but it puts us in the difficult position of having to know ahead of time how much data we'll use over the next three years. Good luck choosing: safest route is to go higher. Perfect.

Worth noting too that the data is tied to minutes, unlike in the US. So what if I want 750MB of data, but I only need 150 minutes of talk time? Too bad. And call display? You gotta pay $15/month for that.

This article also doesn't even mention the 3-year contract that Canadians would have to sign, compared to the two years in the US with AT&T. That's the really big damage with this deal that has us frothing mad.

So yeah: stinky deal. Will I buy it regardless? I still don't know. I was going to be first in line though. It's my hope that this rage translates to lost sales that makes Rogers change their mind. My breath remains unheld.
Click to view helin's profile New Member 3 posts since
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4. Jun 30, 2008 1:30 PM in response to: Macworld
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The norwegian plans are equally bad, if not worse.

Small 80 USD/month
100 minutes
100 sms
100 MB

Medium 140 USD/month
250 minutes
250 sms
250 MB

Large 220 USD/month
1000 minutes
1000 sms
1000 MB

There is no unlimited evening weekday. Each minute exceeding the pre-paid minutes is .25 USD each.

Each exceeding megabyte is charged at 2 USD each.
Click to view aaronvegh's profile New Member 5 posts since
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5. Jun 30, 2008 1:35 PM in response to: helin
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Wow, you win. those are dreadful plans. It truly suggests that iPhone adoption won't be that high in these countries.
Click to view dreyfus's profile Member 143 posts since
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6. Jun 30, 2008 1:37 PM in response to: aaronvegh
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aaronvegh wrote:
The point is, I don't want to be counting. Heck, I CAN'T count, because there's no way to keep track! Except for an SMS when you're getting close to hitting your limit.

I understand some of your points (especially when having to predict future consumption with a 3-year contract, which is ridiculous), but you really do not need to count at all - every iPhone has a detailed usage counter under Settings - Usage. It will always give you up to date information on the data transferred. You simply have to reset it on the billing day.

The iPhone cannot download files from the Web or save attachments to a folder structure, the AppStore does only work via 3G/EDGE for applications smaller than 10MB, VoIP is only allowed via WiFi, the iTunes Store does only work via WiFi, push technology will actually even reduce data transfer, video chat is not available, etc. I simply disagree with the authors suggestion that 2GB is somewhat limiting. You would have to load the biggest Web site the iPhone can still display and put a brick on the reload button to get there ever.

I really did not suggest that charging extra for caller ID (or any other of these basic things) is something I would appreciate. A fact is, that in some places in Europe the iPhone tariffs are rather unattractive, because they provide too much data and SMSs and severely limited call time (and result in horrendous charges when exceeding them), especially for business users.
Click to view aaronvegh's profile New Member 5 posts since
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7. Jun 30, 2008 1:46 PM in response to: dreyfus
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dreyfus wrote:
I understand some of your points (especially when having to predict future consumption with a 3-year contract, which is ridiculous), but you really do not need to count at all - every iPhone has a detailed usage counter under Settings - Usage. It will always give you up to date information on the data transferred. You simply have to reset it on the billing day.

I have a 2G iPhone, and it turns out that the data usage reported in the Settings is fairly inaccurate. We saw this when it was first launched in the US, as Americans travelled overseas and got nailed with roaming charges that didn't reflect what their usage stats suggested. I think it's because you get charged for both upload and download, where the iPhone only measures the download? Something like that.

Cheers,
Aaron.
Click to view natmusak's profile Member 264 posts since
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8. Jun 30, 2008 1:56 PM in response to: Macworld
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I'd like to see Rogers' plans for other smart phones. I've also heard AT&T putting a 5GB "soft cap" on U.S. unlimited data plans. At least Canadians are smart enough to realize Rogers is the problem, not Apple, unlike a lot of people here in America. :D
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9. Jun 30, 2008 1:59 PM in response to: Macworld
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Bottom line is that unlimited data is the spirit of the iPhone. Steve wants us to use our email and web browser willy-nilly and those of us with unlimited data have gotten used to that... Simply choose the minutes you need (and maybe add more SMS if you do that) and that's all you have to worry about.
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10. Jun 30, 2008 2:08 PM in response to: flybynight
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flybynight wrote:
Bottom line is that unlimited data is the spirit of the iPhone. Steve wants us to use our email and web browser willy-nilly and those of us with unlimited data have gotten used to that... Simply choose the minutes you need (and maybe add more SMS if you do that) and that's all you have to worry about.

Yeah - I would love to... At least you in the US have the option to add options and/or choose an unlimited voice plan. In Germany the highest plan (at 140 USD/mth) stops at 1000 minutes and you cannot buy anything else in addition. With my average call time per month, I end up paying 7,400 USD in 24 months. I could get the same amount of data with unlimited call time for any other phone for 1,900 USD in 24 months. That difference is just too big.
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11. Jun 30, 2008 2:45 PM in response to: Macworld
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This should bode well for the likes of Sprint and other non-iPhone carriers who have started offering unlimited plans. Sprint calls their plan the "Simply Everything" Plan and starts at $69. Not sure if that applies to the Canadaian market, but I like the idea of unlimited plans that don't nickle and dime us.
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12. Jun 30, 2008 3:02 PM in response to: Macworld
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The best argument for Apple to introduce a CDMA iPhone is that the increased competition will rein in the price gougers thus allowing iPhone to become mainstream.

Although most of the world doesn’t use CDMA, the US and Canada alone comprise an affluent population of 1/3 billion people! That’s a lot of marketing clout.
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13. Jun 30, 2008 3:23 PM in response to: Macworld
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I think where the data plans come into play is people who will be downloading music, apps from the iPhone Apps store, etc. This will be do-able via 3G for a lot of apps (under 10 MB in size). You start downloading a few apps, some songs, browse the web, email, google maps, etc and bandwidth used adds up in a hurry. It really depends on how much time you spend doing things that require internet access. Remember, its more than just internet and email that uses the data plans.
Click to view natmusak's profile Member 264 posts since
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14. Jun 30, 2008 3:36 PM in response to: tmedia1
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tmedia1 wrote:
This should bode well for the likes of Sprint and other non-iPhone carriers who have started offering unlimited plans. Sprint calls their plan the "Simply Everything" Plan and starts at $69. Not sure if that applies to the Canadaian market, but I like the idea of unlimited plans that don't nickle and dime us.

AT&T, T-Mobile, Verizon, and Sprint have all come out with "unlimited" plans that cost $100/month. I like the idea, but that's a ridiculous amount of money they're all asking. Cut it in half, then their "simply everything" plans won't be limited to the simply rich.