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Click to view irevn's profile New Member 2 posts since
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Jul 20, 2008 5:06 PM

Questions about Macbooks


Hey there i'm quite new to the mac world, I don't even own an ipod. I am looking to purchase a macbook for school (I will be studying architecture), but a dilemma has just come to my attention, which is that macs don't run autocad programs . I have heard though that with a program called bootcamp that one can run either mac os or windows, now here is where my dilemma comes into play; I was at the apple store and one of the sales reps told me that if i were to use bootcamp I would need a liscenced version of windows which means that I would have to purchase it, another problem is that the sales rep highly recommended the macbook pro since I will need it for the video capabilities.

So my questions are: Do I have to buy a liscenced version of windows to have it on bootcamp? Or is there a way to get around purchasing windows? Also is it really necessary to purchase the macbook pro?

Any help or suggestions are greatly appreciated since I am desperately trying to stay away from windows now.

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Click to view wooster019's profile New Member 69 posts since
Mar 28, 2007
1. Jul 20, 2008 6:45 PM in response to: irevn
Re: Questions about Macbooks
Welcome to the forums!

Yes you need a licensed copy of Windows. I'm guessing that a MacBook Pro would be nice in your field, but I don't know since that's not what I do for a living :)

Just an idea...I've had great success with eBay. You could possibly find a good deal on a slightly used MacBook Pro that came bundled with Windows. Many times these auctions come with Apple Care included (Apple's extended warranty) and you can literally save hundreds. Or, you could look at a refurbished model as they too come with a one-year warranty to help save costs. Also, as a student you can get the educational discount on new macs/software through your school. Good luck. I find few people who actually are disappointed making the switch to Mac.
Click to view MacCheetah3's profile Old Hand 6,630 posts since
Apr 2, 2001
2. Jul 20, 2008 9:14 PM in response to: wooster019
Re: Questions about Macbooks
Hi
I've seen those running AutoCAD on integrated chipset graphics units before but don't quote me as saying a MacBok wil absolutely work. If it helps any, here is my Vista score. Despite my machine's score, the newer MacBooks are powered by the 965 chipset which has a little higher performance graphics subsystem and a faster system bus ( 800MHz vs 667MHz ) so a current MacBook will score higher.

NOTE: I have two 2GB CAS 4 memory modules installed but the 945 chipset can only utilize 3GB. I'm also running the 64-bit ( x64 ) version of Vista.

What you could do is find out what software title your classes use and contact the developer of the software directly, asking them if a machine of such specs would be sufficient.


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Click to view rickcarl's profile Member 192 posts since
Feb 27, 2008
3. Jul 20, 2008 9:33 PM in response to: irevn
Re: Questions about Macbooks
The newest MacBook Penryn will run 32 bit Autocad...just. I have other drawing programs including Autocad reader on my MacBook. Here are the requirements.

For 32-bit AutoCAD 2009:


  • Intel® Pentium® 4 processor or AMD Athlon®, 2.2 GHz or greater
    or
    Intel or AMD Dual Core processor, 1.6 GHz or greater
  • Microsoft® Windows Vista™, Windows® XP SP2 operating systems

For Microsoft Windows XP SP2:

  • 1 GB RAM
  • 750 MB free disk space for installation
  • 1024x768 VGA with true color
  • Microsoft® Internet Explorer® 6.0 (SP1 or higher)

XP SP2 is 32 bit. You should ask around about getting a copy of XP even though Microsoft does not offer it for sale to consumers any more. I run XP on my MB and it runs fine. You'll probably want an external monitor.

We run Autocad in our construction business on a PC desktop (C2D 2.4GHz 4MB RAM Nvidia GeForce 8600GT 256MB GDDR3 dual monitor video card). I don't actually know if Autocad will run well on a MacBook Pro so I'll leave that post to someone who is actually running it. I'd bet the MBP graphics card would do you (Apple doesn't say if it is GDDR2 or GDDR3) but the screen size will make you want an external monitor. HTH

Click to view rickcarl's profile Member 192 posts since
Feb 27, 2008
5. Jul 21, 2008 4:29 AM in response to: irevn
Re: Questions about Macbooks
The only reason to put autocad (Revit Architecture or Maya from Autodesk) on a Macbook or Macbook Pro is if you absolutely must have a portable computer. I carry two MBs with Maya in a briefcase for personal learning. For the price of a Macbook you can have a really stout PC desktop with a large screen to run autocad. I use Maya on a Macbook to design holes in the ground. You would be amazed to find out how much time it takes to design a hole in the ground and how much money it takes to dig a hole these days. I'm learning how to use the software,

The Macbook screen is not that good. Ports are limited especially no express card. The Macbook Pro would be better for class. Speaking of class, you should ask the teacher or other students for recommendations not this forum.

There are many ways to pirate XP. I don't recommend it. Find a copy for sale and buy it or use Vista. Then download the free Revit from Autodesk.


Edit: You should learn the work process of running Autocad. You will be making lots of sample templates like trusses, corners, joints, electric, plumbing, stairs and such. Those need to be saved so storage is a big factor. You need ports like the Express card or Firewire to run external disks for storage. You need a good screen to see details. The external monitor is better for this. If you must go portable then a high end workstation portable is needed. While I run Maya and Rivet on a Macbook in learning construction, I would not recommend the Macbook for architecture class.

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Click to view MacCheetah3's profile Old Hand 6,630 posts since
Apr 2, 2001
6. Jul 21, 2008 7:06 AM in response to: irevn
Re: Questions about Macbooks
Hi
irevn wrote:
Also is there a way to get around having to purchase windows xp? I have a PC desktop at home with xp can I use that?
No. That won't work. Microsoft is extremely stingy with their income ( who isn't? ) and all of their XP software ( Office, Windows, ... ) and later activates online so they'll know if you are attempting to use a Product Key on more than one unit. There were ways of using corporate versions and corporate Product Keys ( multi-license ) to allow installation of XP but Microsoft has caught on and therefore one with such a hack can't install Service Pack 2 or Service Pack 3. These are very important updates as involved with security ( patching 'holes' ) and bug fixes. Also...Quite simply...It's illegal. Anywho... Check out the store on campus, if there is one, and normally education licensed software is extremely reasonable priced.


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Click to view rickcarl's profile Member 192 posts since
Feb 27, 2008
7. Jul 21, 2008 7:05 PM in response to: irevn
Re: Questions about Macbooks
Since I have an account at Autodesk, I downloaded the free Rivet Architecture to my Macbook. It's a big program and took a while to download and unpack. Fortunately I had to rebuild my front porch so I could work while the Macbook loaded.


The free version does not have all the features of the full program - and none of the cost. While it definitely will load and run on the Macbook, the Macbook just does not have the screen space nor the hard drive space for effective use. An external monitor will be a very good idea and an external hard drive a valuable need. While the Macbook Pro has a better screen suitable for class use, I would say the same thing - external monitor and additional hard drive for best use.


Your school will probably offer a deal on a PC or MBP with XP pre-loaded. Check with the school.

Click to view jroller's profile New Member 98 posts since
Jun 26, 2007
8. Jul 21, 2008 8:17 PM in response to: irevn
Re: Questions about Macbooks
As indicated, you will need a copy of Windows. Installing it via Boot Camp is exactly the same concept as installing it on a Windows PC. Same is true for VMWare or Parallels; purchasing those programs does not obviate the need for a copy of Windows (legal or otherwise).

There is also a program called Crossover that emulates Windows API's (I think), without needing Windows, but it doesn't work for all Windows programs. You can check to see if your program is among the blessed at their website (codeweavers.com).

As for the MacBook Pro, it certainly is not required. You can do the same things (albeit a bit more slowly) on the MacBook as on the MBPro. The MBP offers a separate video card, while the MB has its graphics card shared on the motherboard. I would invest in RAM before I invested in the Pro, if making that kind of a purchase is too difficult. Max out your RAM.


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Click to view visiondancer's profile New Member 3 posts since
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9. Jul 23, 2008 8:42 PM in response to: irevn
Re: Questions about Macbooks
One important consideration is that many departments have discount programs, or even free software available to students, and it can be hard to track them down before you get there.

For example, the College of Engineering here has a MSDNAA agreement with Microsoft that allows students to download copies of windows, office, visual studio, etc., for at no charge through the college's website. The College of Business also has one, but the applications available are slightly different (Project 2008, instead of 2003, etc). The College of Design (where Architecture falls under here) has a slightly different program (I think it's to encourage design students to use Microsoft), which allows them to buy install cd's of windows, office, pretty much whatever they want except office for mac, directly from microsoft, for $5 each.

I'm not sure how the student pricing runs on AutoCad, but again, it's worth checking what your department uses, and if they have anything available for students to install on their own machines. Sometimes you just have to suck it up and spend a little time in the lab too :).
Click to view itommac's profile New Member 7 posts since
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10. Jul 24, 2008 10:32 AM in response to: irevn
Re: Questions about Macbooks
You can purchase Windows XP from a wide range of vendors from Amazon to eBay however make sure it is NOT an OEM version. The OEM version is meant to be used with a new computer where Windows is preinstalled. When I purchased Parallels for my 2008 17" Macbook Pro there were plenty of places selling Windows XP but they were OEM versions. If you have a problem with an OEM version you must get it from the company that preinstalled Windows; Microsoft makes it clear that they will not support OEM versions. As others have said, check with your school bookstore or other unit that handles software sales. The educational discount is usually worthwhile. Make sure you need to buy Windows since the school may have a Site License that allows all students to use the software. Or maybe not. Doesn't hurt to check.
Click to view rab777hp's profile Member 347 posts since
Jun 11, 2008
11. Jul 24, 2008 3:40 PM in response to: itommac
Re: Questions about Macbooks
you can try a windows emulator