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Dec 19, 2008 10:03 AM

RIAA stops suing individuals: Are we home free?

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Click to view flybynight's profile Enthusiast 835 posts since
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1. Dec 19, 2008 10:56 AM in response to: Macworld
Re: RIAA stops suing individuals: Are we home free?
In a related story, Satan claims that he will no longer tempt Johnny with a fiddle made of gold.
Click to view Jon Seff's profile Macworld Editorial 1,007 posts since
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2. Dec 19, 2008 10:56 AM in response to: Macworld
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But...but...he's the best there's ever been!


Jon Seff - Senior News Editor, Macworld
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3. Dec 19, 2008 11:05 AM in response to: Macworld
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"one nail in it's sic coffin. Now the RIAA has put its hands up"
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4. Dec 19, 2008 11:19 AM in response to: flybynight
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Brilliant! Now here's your subpoena.
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5. Dec 19, 2008 11:42 AM in response to: Macworld
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6000 songs a month? It would take 60 days 24/7 just to listen to that much music. That's not theft, it's obsessive compulsive disorder.
Click to view scotts13's profile Member 178 posts since
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6. Dec 19, 2008 12:03 PM in response to: Macworld
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And exactly what right does the RIAA have to "require" ISP's to do anything, and in fact interfere with their relationship with their own customers? The downloader has done nothing harming the ISP, and they're supposed to threaten to stop taking their customers money?

AND, all on the say-so of organization that has NOT actually identified the "offender", cannot do so unaided, and are quite possibly wrong about the offense in the first place?
Click to view DPG4450Guy's profile Old Hand 1,962 posts since
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7. Dec 19, 2008 1:13 PM in response to: Macworld
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When you sign up for a service provider, you agree not to use their service to break the law.
Someone running a site with illegally shared copyrighted material is breaking the law.
The copyright owners have ever right in the world to sue the ISP. They can either do that in court, or give them a prior notice requiring them to take down the offending site and/or give them the person's name and address etc. that was breaking the law, so that they can sue to have said person prosecuted.
If you think this is not legal, just ask the folks that used to operate "Demonoid" or whatever torrent site that was that got bitch-slapped big time in a California appeals court.
Downloading is one thing, POSTING is where I see the bigger guilt lies.
Click to view wheat's profile New Member 56 posts since
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8. Dec 19, 2008 1:47 PM in response to: Macworld
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Let's not forget that the RIAA earns money for musicians and provides jobs. At a high overhead cost, but still, those musicians need to earn a living and feed their families, and the RIAA is fighting for that out of its own self-interest.
Click to view jmincey's profile Old Hand 4,202 posts since
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9. Dec 19, 2008 3:41 PM in response to: Macworld
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The ISP is a carrier, not unlike any telco. They are not law enforcement agencies. And it's certainly not the business of the RIAA to tell ISPs how they must deal with their own customers or what policies they should adopt.

If two persons use land lines or mobile phones to conspire to commit an illegal act, are the telecom companies then responsible for that? If two Americans use postal mail to plot a crime, is the US Post Office then responsible?

Jeff Mincey
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10. Dec 19, 2008 5:29 PM in response to: jmincey
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They would be if they were aware of it and took no action to stop it.


What the RIAA is proposing is prior notice to the ISP - in that case, they DO know about it - and if they don't put a stop to it, they are liable. Also note that these sites are in effect "advertising" that they are breaking the law and "encouraging" others to participate in the crime. Not possible in a private phone call or mailing a letter. So it's not the same.


Like it or not, the RIAA is here to stay and so are the various copyright-protection laws. I don't believe every single downloader would ever have any intention of buying a movie or piece of music in the first place, and therefore wouldn't affect the income of the studios and record companies, but a great proportion of them certainly would if they did not get it for "free." And that is theft.

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11. Dec 19, 2008 8:13 PM in response to: Macworld
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Who among you has ever made a Cassette tape or CD of your favorite songs? Everyone has.

It's the same thing. We simply live in a digital world now and the record industry, that has ripped consumers off for generations, is now getting slapped back for it's greedy practices. The practices perpetrated by the record industry over the last 80+ years are far worse than any down-loader could ever enact.
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12. Dec 19, 2008 9:37 PM in response to: Macworld
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The decision by the RIAA to cease its flurry of legal activity is no less based on economics than its original decision to start the legal activity in the first place.

Jeff Mincey
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13. Dec 20, 2008 11:03 AM in response to: Macworld
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Making a cassette tape (who uses those anymore?) or cd for YOUR own use is not illegal... Making that same set of music available to untold millions of other people so that they don't purchase a copy of it for themselves is illegal. Doesn't matter if you make it available via download, or send off cds/tapes to all those people, or put up a stand on the street. Ask for money for those (even if it's a small sum) and you're really doing something illegal...

Personally, 99.5% of the music I have has been purchased in one form or another. I either own the cd's or have purchased it via the iTunes store. That remaining half percent is music that simply isn't available for purchase anywhere be it online or brick and mortar stores.

Personally, I store my music on a NAS device (with a RAID 5 array, so it's protected from drive failure)... This way I can use any of my several systems to play the music there. I just wish that apple didn't lock you to just five systems (at a time) for authentication to their DRM crudware.

As for the offenders that the RIAA is now going after... 5000 to 6000+ downloads a MONTH is excessive... I have to wonder, though, if they really mean uploads and downloads, since that would target the people hosting the limewire crud too...

BTW, not sure where Tau_Myx got his numbers from, but based off my iTunes listing, 6000 songs would take about 17-1/3 days to play completely (playing 24/7)... Still an excessive amount, but no where near the 60 days you stated. Even going to round numbers of a 5 minute 'average' song length, you're still only looking at just under 21 days (20.833)...
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14. Dec 20, 2008 3:13 PM in response to: Macworld
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Sorry, but these arguments are tired and old. Anyone can download tons of free music from satellite radio and never use an ISP.

Record labels for years and years have paid their artists between 5% and 10% of the NET, for what they receive from record sales. Bands and Artists make more money off of the writing and publishing than they do from record sales. Record labels are notorious for cooking the books and not paying the writers and the artists what they deserve.

The real music stealing happens in Russia, China, and everywhere else in the World where the American RIAA has no jurisdiction. Busting kids that download music in America has no bearing on what happens elsewhere.

So, let's get off the soap box and let the kids trade their music on the internet. Britney Spears doesn't need anymore money and neither do the record labels.

It's time to reinvent the Music industry and become more creative as to how we distribute the music. BTW, what is publicity worth? The Internet is the biggest promotion marketplace for music that there has ever been.

Music will continue to flourish with or without the giant record labels, and quite frankly, will be better off without them.